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Reinstating a deleted page[edit]

An article / wiki page on Sarala Roy was recently removed due to a citation issue. How can I find that article, fix the citation, and put it back in? Please help, thank you. Chetanroy (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sarala Roy wasn't removed for a "citation issue" it was removed as a copyright violation. We could only restore it if we receive permission from the copyright holder via VRT. Anyone is allowed to write a new version though. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Victor. I can create a new page but I would like to see what was written there and to see who I need to follow up with on the copyright violation. Is it possible to find the old page to review the contents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Chetanroy, deleted pages containing significant copyright violations cannot be restored for legal reasons. Wikipedia takes copyright much more seriously than many other websites because our licensing allows for free re-use of all of our text content, as long as attribution is given. That means that Wikipedia must be very strict when copyright violations are involved. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Two people with the same name[edit]

Hello - I would like to create a page for a person who has the same name as someone already listed on Wiki. One is an actor and is not on Wiki. The other is a hockey player by the same name. When you click the actor's name, it automatically goes to the hockey players page. Griff3161 (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Griff3161! I recently encountered this problem when making the article Francis Bourgeois (trainspotter), my suggestion would be to name the page "(person's name) (actor)", then monitor the pageviews of both pages for a while, and then the actor's page could be renamed and made the primary topic, or the person's name (without the "actor") could be turned into a disambiguation page if that makes sense? wizzito | say hello! 17:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you're trying to create an article about yourself. Can you please read this page? Thanks! wizzito | say hello! 17:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Griff3161 Wikipedia articles and IMBd cannot be used as references for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It is about me. I'm not the hockey player and wanted to distinguish between he and I. If you select my name in the credits that are listed on this site, it goes to the hockey player. I just wanted to separate us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Griff3161 (talkcontribs) 20:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Distinguish between him and me, not he and I. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Unless you can find references other than Wikipedia articles and IMBd, your attempt to turn User:Griff3161/sandbox into an article about yourself will fail. Also, see WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Griff3161: Sir, WP is not reliable source and you can not add WP, IMDb as source. According to WP policy you can not write article about yourself. You can request a article for writing WP : Request article. @David notMD:Hello, This actor deserves a WP articles, I search on Web, he really was in Forest Gump and played the character of Ted with greatest of time Tom Hanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newton Euro (talkcontribs)

@Griff3161: I fixed all the Wikipedia articles that mention Steven Griffith the actor but incorrectly linked to Steven Griffith the hockey player. GoingBatty (talk) 05:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the links that connected me to the hockey player. And thank you so much for correcting my grammar. Sheesh. Case closed. Over and out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Griff3161 (talkcontribs) 13:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I ask a question[edit]

 Emma OSOLU (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma OSOLU Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you just did ask a question, so you did fine. The one suggestion I would have is to place your question in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window. Some people find it easier to use the full desktop version of Wikipedia, even in a browser on a device, instead of the app or mobile versions, which do not have full functionality(easily, at least). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Gallomimia (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't seem fair[edit]

A friend of mine wrote a page about me, but it has a warning for lack of notability. Are there volunteers who can help fix this? I've done a TEDMED talk, written four books and hundreds of articles. Had a segment about me on NPR's This American Life, and much much more, but I'm not notable??? I'm particularly puzzled because there are many people who seem less notable than I, who have pages without warnings -- for example, half my lawyer friends. I'm a lawyer with a Ph.D. in medical ethics -- the first to do a joint program with that combination that I know of and the first Westerner to go to Iran to study their organ selling programs extensively (extensively meaning hundred's of interviews, one anthropologist had done one day of interviews at one hospital). Why do I not qualify -- If the friend who wrote the page for me made mistakes, why doesn't someone help fix them, instead of making me seem like a self-promoting fraud with the warning boxes? Integrity1010 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010 Welcome to the Teahouse. You might care to tell us who you are so that we can look for sources that talk in detail about you. I'm afraid our Notability criteria for people demands to know, not what a person has done in their life, but what others have written about them. You would be welcome to link o a few of those sources so we can try to guide you further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Based on the description, I'm guessing Sigrid Fry-Revere (which does seem to have a lot of problems by our standards). Wikignome Wintergreentalk 19:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
This was tagged in Dec 2019, and had had dozens of edits since then. Perhaps Wikignome Wintergreen, a recent editor of the article will consider removing the tag. Neither you nor your friend should remove it (nor edit the article anymore). The article has been criticized for weak referencing and possibly not reaching the bar for notability. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I assume the notability standard here is WP:NACADEMIC, but I'm far from an expert in the notability area, and academics seem particularly tricky. I'll leave that decision to someone else, but I'll fix up the article in other ways. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I've taken a quick look through the article and at some of the citations. I recognise that the article is currently being worked on, but my feeling is that the page comes over as an amazingly impressive CV of a person who has done some wonderful work on her field. I don't see sources that talk about her, as we would expect from independent sources to meet WP:NBIO. The past professorial position itself doesn't quite meet Criterion 5 of WP:NPROF on its own, yet I suspect the body of work she has produced in that and in subsequent roles could be deemed to have had a significant impact under criteria 1 or 7. But as this isn't an WP:AFD discussion, I don't need to go into more detail at this stage, though such a discussion would need further search for independent sources and could be borderline, despite her achievements. That said, I'd not be pushing for such a discussion, and would expect a fair bit of effort to go into WP:BEFORE. I think the notability template was not hugely unreasonable, and hopefully current efforts will help. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
"Borderline notable" - the hardest case to deal with. Basically, Integrity1010, it's hard to make a decision here without doing some significant research, and since we're all volunteers, there's no way to force anyone to do that research. As it stands, the article doesn't contain any good (by our standards) sources which prove beyond doubt that you're notable (by our standards), so the tag - for the moment - remains. If you think you have such sources, the best place for them is probably the article's talk page, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere, since this post on the Teahouse will get archived eventually. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 00:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm doing this right, putting my responses here. Yes, I'm Sigrid Fry-Revere. I'm also the first person to create a living organ donor advocacy group which was not run by organ recipients as a hidden way to get more people to become organ donors. My organization -- The American Living Organ Donor Fund actually advocated for living organ donors without any conflict of interest --- we didn't find donors for organ recipients. We helped living organ donors with information and helped them with expenses and lost wages -- something which at the time some people thought was illegal but now is part of the federally funded NLDAC program and many state and private programs as well. How many firsts does a person have to have to qualify as notable? Isn't the fact that I'm cited or quoted on at least a few times a week and sometimes several times in a day worth something -- I'm part of a very important conversation -- so much so that people find it necessary to answer what I've written -- not the least of which is the research I did in Iran -- which by the way was accepted as part of the National Library of Medicine's permanent collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talkcontribs) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've never edited the page, but I know some friends have tried. I'll tell them not to do so anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talkcontribs) 21:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The most important thing to note is that Wikipedia has a peculiar and specific conception of what notability means. It essentially means that you have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Somewhat different and more specific criteria apply for academics, but that is the basic principle - not having many firsts or doing important work. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

So looking at just the first 7 pages of 148,000 entries for my name on Google, I found the following secondary sources. None of these are articles by me, nor are they simply citations or quotes. They are all more extensive discussions of my work and / or my life. I'm sure I could find at least another dozen more.

That search, that came up with 148,000 was "Sigrid Fry-Revere newspapers" -- because I was looking for articles about me. When I just search "Sigrid Revere" -- I get over a million hits.

Secondary Sources.

Articles that talk about me:

Research guide mentions my work:

Biography pages: https://peoplepill. com/people/sigrid-fry-revere

Thanking me for the contributions to his work

file:///Users/AristotlesPride/Downloads/21139-Article%20Text-29835-1-10-20160426%20(1).pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talkcontribs) 02:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Integrity1010 have you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? If an article about you is published it won't belong to you or to the friend who wrote it. Anyone with Internet access can find both flattering and unflattering references to you and edit the article. If you are determined to obtain your own Wikipedia article that will likely happen, but if you later decide you are not happy with changes in the article you will not be able to have it deleted.
Please remember that, with the exception of a few paid editors (who are not paid by Wikipedia), most of the people connected with Wikipedia are volunteers who work in their spare time, and choose projects that interest them. If you provide all 148,000 entries on Google that does not mean that anyone will be obligated to improve the draft article about yourself.
If being the subject of a Wikipedia subject is so very important to you I wish you well in having your dream fulfilled. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Good advice, though in this case it's not a draft - the article was created and moved to mainspace in 2008, when standards were laxer. Now either deleting or improving will take some effort. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 04:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
That was a foolish mistake on my part, to state that the article was still a draft. I became confused by the long list of citations to be added, but I should have double checked the status before posting. Karenthewriter (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you WolfTalkBlaze (See below and above) Do I make that request here -- or in a seperate thread? @Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talkcontribs)

@Integrity1010: Edit requests should be placed on the Talk page of the article itself. Each article has a Talk page, in this case, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere (which I see you have found already.) This information page might be helpful. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

necesito ayuda para crear la biografia de un productor musical[edit]

 – Fixed formatting. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 04:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

alguien puede ayudarme ? David15150 (talk) 04:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello David15150, since this is English Wikipedia, articles must be written in English, and you also need to use English when posting questions, replies, and comments here. You would have more luck trying to post your draft on Spanish Wikipedia: Good Luck! Softlavender (talk) 04:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Softlavender I've sent them a Welcome greeting in Spanish using WP:TWINKLE ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Clock template parameter[edit]

Is there a parameter I can add to the "Clock" template in my user page to show my local time? I've researched several style and template guides on the topic, but no luck so far. CYAce01 (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01: I use {{Time userbox}} on mine – is this what you're after? ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 05:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@ClaudineChionh: I was hoping I'd be able to use {{Clock}} on mine, but not with the default UTC time setting at the bottom. I'd like to see my local time there instead. CYAce01 (talk) 06:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@ClaudineChionh: Thanks for the response anyways. I'll keep the {{Time userbox}} option in mind. CYAce01 (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Secondary sources[edit]

My article was rejected because it says I need secondary reliable sources. I used verified sources like and NintendoLife. I am curious what I can do to better my draft so that it is published. Here is a link to my draft. Please help! Johnroomusic (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Johnroomusic: The reason is that sources need to discuss The Retro Room Games specifically, instead of the games they produce. This is what we mean by "significant coverage" in WP:GNG. If you can only find sources about the games, then you should be writing an article about the games, not the company.  Ganbaruby! (talk) 07:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Apocalypse Cow[edit]

I searched for a Wikipedia article on Apocalypse Cow (documentary by George Monbiot, Channel 4, January 2020) - which presented a vision where farms as we know them cease to exist and that most food is produced in vats or in bio-reactors on an industrial scale. The title 'Apocalypse Cow' relates to the premise that cows and other ruminants have devastated the ancient landscape, specifically, removing trees by devouring saplings before they have a chance to mature.

I had hoped to find a balanced critique of this documentary. However, I could not find it - but I did find Apocalypse Cow, apparently, the title of an episode of The Simpsons. On further investigation, I found several claims to the title 'Apocalypse Cow' and so, evidently, The Simpsons does not have a monopoly on this title. See, for reference:

  • 'Apocalypse Cow' (The Simpsons)
  • Apocalypse Cow (IMDb)
  • 'Apocalypse Cow' (documentary)
  • 'Apocalypse Cow' (book)
  • 'Apocalypse Cow' (beer)

There are many more links, but I think the above suffice to make my point.

I was about to rename Apocalypse Cow as Apocalypse Cow (The Simpsons) and repurpose the original page as a disambiguation page as a precursor to creating Apocalypse Cow (documentary), but hesitated because I did not want to risk starting an edit war with The Simpsons' Fandom (I experienced something similar many years ago). These days I do not wish to indulge in any activity that invites conflict on Wikipedia - been there before, and have little patience for that.

I trust that there is consensus in favour of what I have in mind. Are there those kind souls who would support me in making above suggested edits and, if necessary, defend such actions should such changes be challenged?
Enquire (talk) 07:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Enquire: Apocalypse Cow (The Simpsons) already exists as a redirect to Apocalypse Cow, so as this wouldn't be an uncontroversial move, I think your best option is to test for consensus by bringing this discussion to Requested moves and WikiProject The Simpsons. However, I don't know what your experience of Simpsons fandom was like, or whether that would be reflected in current members of the WikiProject. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 07:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Enquire: The response above isn't not correct, and the Simpsons article is at the correct title. Disambiguation in titles is only necessary if there are multiple articles with the exact same name, and cannot be distinguished from each other in any other way. Since there are no other articles named "Apocalypse Cow", the Simpsons episode get to take that tile. If you want to create a new article for the documentary, create one at Draft:Apocalypse Cow (documentary), and when completed, we'll deal with page moves then. Also pinging ClaudineChionh  Ganbaruby! (talk) 07:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Please help[edit]

I uploaded a non free file to Wikipedia using non free file wizard. It is (image removed). Now it is saying something, which I cannot understand. Please tell me what is to be done. I have already stated that is a non free file, please don't delete it. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: The image isn't at risk of being deleted; rather, it's only going to be resized into a smaller resolution to fulfill Wikipedia's policy on non-free content. A bot will automatically do this for you, so you don't have to do anything. You can read about non-free image resolution at WP:IMAGERES.  Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Also note that non-free images should only appear on the page the image is intended for, so I've removed the image here.  Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby Thanks Itcouldbepossible (talk) 08:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: If you ever need to refer to a non-free image, then add a colon (:) immediately before the word "file" and it will turn into a link - so [[:file:Example.jpg]] gives file:Example.jpg. Linking that way is permitted as it does not cause the image to display where it is being discussed. Mjroots (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Ping Itcouldbepossible, who the above comment should have been directed at. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @Mjroots. I learned yet a new thing. I will remember people like you all through my editing career. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) 02:31, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

User rights[edit]

Hello. Can someone please tell me what user rights are? Such as Pending Changes Reviewer, Rollbacker, Autopatrolled, New Page Patroller etc. What can a user do with these rights? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 09:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: You can read about them at Wikipedia:User access levels. However, note that having a lot more of these levels doesn't necessarily mean you're a "better editor", and your opinions during discussions carry the same amount of weight as any other editor out there. Don't try to get as many of these levels as you can if you won't use them (that's called hat collecting). Instead, your main focus should be on creating/improving Wikipedia content, which you can already do.  Ganbaruby! (talk) 09:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Thank you! --Richard Michael William (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: After reading Wikipedia:User access levels, I'm thinking of using Rollback right. Because I regularly revert vandalisms. If I am given this right, it will be easier to me to prevent vandalisms. Although I use Twinkle, RedWarn tool. And I don't want this right to show off. Thank you. --Richard Michael William (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
The place to ask for this, Richard Michael William, is Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. But I suggest that you wait till you can display a record of least half a year of carefully judged edits before making the request. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Just a comment on "Rollback" and anti-vandalism in general: what WP really, really needs are more anti-vandalism editors who look at an edit and check properly that it's wrong before reverting. Particularly on little things, like dates that something happened, there are particularly harmful vandals who make tiny changes, which are very hard to diagnose and correct; they're not obviously wrong at a glance. But there are also well-informed casual editors, often IP-users, who spot this sort of error and correct it, but who don't know the importance of adding a source - and they promptly get reverted by a well-meaning anti-vandal, even though their data were actually correct. So the most valuable people aren't those who've got Rollback privileges; the most valuable people are the careful, quiet fact-checkers. And we've all got fact-checking privileges. Elemimele (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Hoary: Thank you. I'll try my best to revert more vandalisms. --Richard Michael William (talk) 14:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

COI/CITESPAM - delete, tag or revise?[edit]

What do we do about an editor's work that was done predominantly to WP:CITESPAM: "citation spamming include academics and scientists using their editing privileges primarily to add citations to their own work". The editor was recently blocked for sockpuppetry. The user knew full well that they weren't supposed to cite themselves, deliberately obscuring their authorship on many of the citations by omitting to mention any author, or hiding their co-authorship by mentioning only the primary author or listing themselves as "and colleagues". They have created hundreds of articles based on their own professional work (citing dozens of their own works, and their colleagues' works, in each) and it's practically impossible to extract their CITESPAM without just torching the whole article. (One example, Addilal.) In other cases, they CITESPAMed within hundreds of other articles (which they didn't create) to add citations to their own work for minor inclusions (like their book mentioned different animal species, so they added their book to each animal's article). (One example, [1]) The latter scenario is easier to solve (remove their inserted CITESPAM), but the former scenario is a more complicated issue. I'm trying to clean up the mess, but not seeking to 'erase' everything. I need some guidance for a balanced approach. Most policies about removing edits refer to banned editors making edits after their ban. I haven't found any guidelines covering this scenario. Platonk (talk) 10:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Platonk: I haven't looked into the specific case you are concerned with but WP:SELFCITE has some guidance along the lines that quoting one's own (academic) work is allowed within reason so context is important. The key word in the quote you used, which is certainly spamming, is "primarily". Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Michael D. Turnbull: Like you said, you did NOT look into this case. This user didn't do any of his refspamming "within reason". He engaged for about 2 years to almost exclusively write articles on his field of research. There was no attempt to further improve the encyclopedia. Not everything he added was useless, hence I don't wish to delete everything. But I need another pair of eyes and opinion on what to do with some of this stuff. Platonk (talk) 08:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Platonk, you might ask where the spam experts gather: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam. -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Hoary, I think I will check that out. Platonk (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism on a article[edit]

I doubt Chandrakant Nimba Patil vandalised by someone, it should be added in Stub. Newton Euro (talk) 13:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Ghodasgaon, Jalgaon article possibly have original research, can someone add inline tag behind OR in this article. Length, Width in infobox probably fall into original research category.Newton Euro (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: Welcome to the teahouse. Articles rated stub are usually recently created, and the vandalism you talked about is now reverted. Sometime, you can undo the vandalism-account edits. Thank you for reporting vandalism, a small vandalism report can still make a difference. Severestorm28 (talk) 13:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Re-introduce edits after clarifying why on the talk page?[edit]

Is it ok to reintroduce edits if you describe why on the person who reverted them's talk page? AverroesII (talk) 13:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

AverroesII, welcome to the Teahouse! I would suggest reading WP:BRD and following accordingly. Most of the time this can be avoided when referencing reliable sources when we make edits and add information to an article as opposed to no references which is deemed original research. --ARoseWolf 13:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox responsibility[edit]

Are we allowed to use sandboxes for making silly non-factual wikipedia pages? I'd feel a bit accountable if my sandbox page could be linked to from wikimedia commons because I used an image in the sandbox. (wikimedia commons keeps a list of all "File usage on other wikis". Michael.koh.zs (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael.koh.zs Welcome to Tea House and thank you for your question! In short, no. Wikipedia:User pages has guidelines, they should all aid in directly improving Wikipedia content and or policies related to Wikipedia. Because you mentioned non factual, worth reading Wikipedia:Humor and WP:HOAX as well. Happy (verifiable and factual) editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Fuad Hamza page[edit]


I came across the page of Fuad Hamza, and am trying to correct erroneous information about him. It is written there that Fuad Hamza was from Palestine, and the proof presented for this was from a single source, a PhD by one student who had it wrong in there. There is also a reference that he may be a Druze from Syria -- it is also wrong. Fuad Hamza is a famous personality in Lebanon's history, and hails from the village of Aabay in Lebanon.

Here is evidence from leading newspaper in the country: [1]

You can also find in various respected resources that Fuad Hamza is a member of the Druze community in Lebanon, including these two:



Can you please help me correct this?

Thank you Wikialma Wikialma 14:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Wikialma 14:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialma (talkcontribs)


Hello, Wikialma. As you were told in October, the place to bring this up is at Talk:Fuad Hamza. If you want your changes to be accepted, you need to achieve consensus among interested editors by discussion on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Having taken the time to pore over some of the sources, "he was from Palestine" seems extremely dubious for the reason the OP indicated. I will post something on the talk page. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing quotation marks[edit]

Is there a tool which allows for curly quotation marks to be changed over to straight quotation marks in an article that's already published. Thank you OpticalBloom241 (talk) 14:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

OpticalBloom241 Yes there's a script for it User:DemonDays64/Scripts/Dumb quotes. You can follow steps there to add script to your user scripts, and then on article pages, there's a button "Dumb quotes" which fixes them. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I make an article with a conflict of interest?[edit]

Hello! I do have some experience with Wikipedia but I cannot find anything about this topic. If I want to write an article, theoretically on a friend with notability, how do I disclose a conflict of interest? Am I even allowed to write it at all? Any feedback is appreciated, thanks. AWESOMEDUDE0614 (talk) 15:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

If you are being paid, then the guidance is at WP:PAID. If it is just a friend, and no payment is involved, I suggest you follow the advice at WP:COIEDIT. QuiteUnusual (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

How to make new section and changing profile picture?[edit]

Hi! I want to know how to make a section like this the 'Awards and nominations' one and how to change the thumbnail picture for Cho Seungyoun's page ( I have changed it once but everyone removed my edit so I think need to know how to do it properly. Please kindly teach me on how to do it, thank you in advance! Woodzallrounder (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Woodzallrounder, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what the issue is with the awards table, but one way to reproduce a structure from one article in another is to copy the source and then edit it: go Edit source on Suga (rapper), copy the relevant part of the source, and then Edit source on Cho Seung-youn, paste the copy in, and change the content as required. Remember that everything should be cited to a source.
As for images: as far as I can see, all the images you have uploaded to Wikipedia and to Commons have been deleted for copyright reasons. Wikipedia takes note of copyright more than many sites, which unfortunately puts limits on what pictures we can include. Your best bet for getting an image in the article is to take a picture of him yourself, if that is possible: if you do that, then you will own the copyright, and have the legal ability to license it suitably as you upload it to Commons. If you can't do that, then your best chance is to contact Woodz's agent and ask them to get the copyright owner to license a picture in a way that Wikipedia requires: it will not be enough that they give you permission to use it in Wikipedia, they will have to license it under CC-BY-SA, so that anybody may reuse it. If they are willing to do this, then they should send a mail as specified at donating copyright materials. When they have done that, you'll be able to upload it to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing Display Title on Business Page[edit]

How do you change the display title on your company's page? I'd like to change the title of "Barnes Group Inc." to "Barnes" -- we had a company rebrand 3 weeks ago and would like to display the official name as "Barnes" Chrissyd0425 (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There are not supposed to be "company pages" here. There are supposed to be independently written articles about companies. Your "company page" reads like a company brochure--and not only because it consistently refers to the company as "we." I'm really surprised it hasn't been tagged for deletion. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Chrissyd0425, Wikipedia articles should have as title whatever the subject is usually called, rather than its official name; e.g. "Joe Biden", not "Joseph Robinette Biden Jr." I tried to check what Barnes is usually called by looking at the sources cited in Barnes Group, but none of them mentions it at all. Maproom (talk) 16:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
OP has been trying to replace the lead paragraph of the article with a copyvio from the company's own web site. I've reverted and requested a RevDel. --Finngall talk 16:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I reverted you again. A simple statement on what the company does is (probably more than) adequate. I'm not even sure about that "wide range of end markets and customers." I think that's what's termed "weasel words" here, and it smacks of promotional hype. I see there's a long history of this with that article. I'm not an administrator, but I suspect the article isn't going to be here very long. Much as I loathe and abominate Facebook, might I suggest that that's where you want to go with this. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I would think that a company with a single-letter NYSE ticker symbol would meet the notability standard, but I've been wrong before on such things. --Finngall talk 17:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Chrissyd0425:, a bit of explanation: the reason this has gone a bit messy is because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a trade directory or web-hosting site. It only includes information that independent sources have written about a subject, and is extremely suspicious of what sources write about themselves. This has two consequences for you. Since you, I assume, work for Barnes, you have a conflict of interest, and need to read WP:COI for the steps you should take. Basically, you need to declare that you have a conflict of interest, and if you want anything changed on the Barnes article, you have to stop doing it yourself, and instead request that it should be done, on the associated talk-page. Make sure you state exactly what you want doing, and give a source to justify the change. This can include changing the article's title (which is described as a move, because technically the entire article's contents are moved to a new article with the new name). If the only source available to justify something is a press-release from the company, it may still be acceptable, if the change is uncontroversial. A rebranding name-change would probably be okay; a statement that you've just produced the best aircraft parts ever, for example, definitely wouldn't be. If you are paid by Barnes, you should also declare this, see WP:PAID. The other consequence is that unfortunately neither you, nor anyone else associated with Barnes, has any control over what appears in Wikipedia's article, which may include positives, negatives, and everything between, though we are obliged to ensure that everything we write is accurate, and that we maintain a balance. Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 17:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
(oh, and a post-script on copyright and why you got rev-del'd: Wikipedia has a most unusual copyright situation: readers are granted the right to use WP text and pictures in whatever way they want, even for-profit, provided they indicate where it came from. If a company's own website text appears here, the company would be giving the whole world total rights to do whatever they want with the text, including using it for a competitor's own site or brochures. This is not a healthy situation for most companies! You wouldn't believe how many company employees have discovered that they've attempted to give the whole world total rights to adopt their employer's trademarks... For this reason, although many people try to insert information directly from company websites, it will always get deleted because it's about 99.9999% certain that the copyright shouldn't or couldn't be granted like that). Elemimele (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Chrissyd0425: Further note--as Barnes is a currently a disambiguation page for a variety of articles on subjects of the same name, and rightly ought to remain so (noting that I just now added Barnes Group to that page), the new article name would likely be "Barnes (company)" or some such. Hope this helps. --Finngall talk 18:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Approval of Drafts[edit]

Next discussion : #Approved

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:High School Shooting the Musical
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Will my pages High School Shooting the Musical And Bruce Novakowski be apporaved? YouTubeGamer17 (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @YouTubeGamer17: Hello YouTube gamer! In their current state, no. Both are completely unsourced. See your first article for assistance on writing your first article. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Perm request[edit]

Hello! A bit of an odd question. I have an alt account called Blaze Fire Wolf (publicly disclosed on my userpage), and on the userpage of the alt I have stated that I'll only use it for a various number of reasons, one of those being an edit to an article I'd rather not have connected to my main account. Since I have made 0 edits so far on it (Because I created it a while back and then forgot I had it, hence why it's older than this account), would I be able to request perms like autoconfirmed and extended autoconfirmed for it if I ever feel the need to edit using it? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Definitely! It's one of the explicitly stated scenarios in WP:PERM ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • @Blaze The Wolf: If you want to use another account for the purposes of editing controversial articles, linking it to the main account would defeat the purpose. Per WP:VALIDALT, section "privacy", non-disclosure of the link between accounts is acceptable in that scenario. (Of course, you cannot request permissions if the accounts are not linked.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How do we save our planet?[edit]

 Tachodxteam (talk) 16:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC) How do we save our planet Since the end of the last ice age, humans have developed tools and machines and have modified the land for agriculture and long-term settlement. As the population has grown and new technologies have spread across cultures and continents, more and more of the planet’s resources have been pressed into serving the species. In the process, human activities have disrupted the natural order of the environment by depopulating and eliminating species and adding harmful chemicals to the air, water, and soil—activities that are changing the climate and the structure and function of ecosystems, as well as the biological communities they contain.

Hello Tachodxteam and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question concerning editing or navigating Wikipedia? --ARoseWolf 16:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Tachodxteam Welcome to Tea House! Wikipedia is not a forum to organize, though the cause of Climate movement is a noble one. Happy reading and hopefully editing! To understand why Wikipedia is not the forum, read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:ADVOCACY, I say this as an activist myself. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make templates?[edit]

Hi, I want to make templates, but must I be a template editor for creating templates for people to use in Wikipedia. I am curious about this and I am interested in making templates. Yodas henchman (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yodas henchman Welcome to Tea House and the world of templates! I'd recommend asking in Wikipedia:Requested templates for assistance with creating your first template/getting ideas. You don't need a special permission in most cases. Happy templating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Archival of talk page[edit]

How do I make a bot automatically archive my talk page, with a spot to see previous archives? The Tips of Apmh 16:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

For help on archiving a talk page, see Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: Thanks, I did it, does it look fine? --The Tips of Apmh 18:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
It seems to have done the trick. I don't know what the problem is with the first section on the page; you may need to archive that manually. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

my saved articles/reading lists[edit]

Hi all

(a) how do I find my reading lists when I have Wikipedia open in my browser (Opera, W10)? Even when I'm logged in I can't see a link to them anywhere

(b) When I'm using the android app I only seem to be able to access my reading lists by saving whatever page/article I'm looking at (even if I don't want it) & then the 'Saved' button will take me to my there a direct link somewhere & if so, where? This is the case even when I'm logged in.

(c) Oddly, even if I'm on the page of an a article I KNOW I've previously saved, it doesn't actually show as 'saved'...the bookmark icon still shows as 'save'. I just tried saving one again, to the same reading list & it is still showing as 'save', not 'saved'...what on earth is going on!

Any advice/help much appreciated as I'm studying & finding not being able to find my reading lists very frustrating!!


Jeffkes (talk) 17:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffkes, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that reading lists are only available on the app, and not in the browser or desktop version. See MW:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists and offline reading. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine & thanks for your response. Although your answer clarifies my 1st question, unfortunately the page you linked to doesn't answer my 2nd & 3rd questions, so if you, or anyone else, can help with those I'd be very grateful!


Minor question[edit]

I know this probably has no importance but can someone who already adopted somebody still be adopted by yet another user? (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There's no formal process and it has no formal meaning, so... sure. As many Wikipedia users can 'adopt' you as want to. DS (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

question 2[edit]

when will i become a verified editor? Charlidamillion (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "verified editor". There is (auto)confirmed (4 days old + 10 edits) and extended-confirmed (30 days old + 500 edits). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 19:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Archiving teahouse[edit]

When do they usually archive teahouse conservations? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: Hello AlienMan! Scroll up to the top of the page and it says this, "Completed questions are archived within 3 days." ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Blaze The Wolf: thank you. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@TheAlienMan2002: No problem! Glad I could help! ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@TheAlienMan2002: To further add on to Blaze The Wolf's answer, a completed question means a section that has not had anyone edit that section for three consecutive days. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • And to further further add, the delay for archival can and has been modified depending on the volume of queries. Actually, right now, the archival template uses the magic code algo = old(48h), so it is actually two days. (It will probably never be shorter than a day or longer than a week in the foreseeable future.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
    That's what I get for not checking the entire page in source editor any more... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


Previous discussion : #Approval of Drafts

How do I get my pages Bruce Novakowski and High School Shooting the Musical approved? YouTubeGamer17 (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@YouTubeGamer17: You need to expand them some more and add reliable sources to them supporting the information stated in the article. I have given you a link to something that will help you in your previous question. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
YouTubeGamer17 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to submit them for review, I've added the ability for you to do so. They will not be accepted in their current form, as they have no sources. A Wikipedia article (not a "page") summarizes what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)


How do you archive talk pages? Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: See H:ARC. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Blaze the Wolf: Are the bots just for user talk pages? Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Kaleeb18: Nope! In fact, Teahouse uses a bot to archive the page. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

What to add to this article[edit]

What can add to this article thromidia brycei to improve it? Maomaoox (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Maomaoox. You could do with adding a source (or sources) to the section Thromidia brycei#Other species. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

i am new to this[edit]

i am new to this i ned help MFxDemon (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)MFxDemon

You seem to be confused on what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place to write about things you made up, if you are looking for something like that you will need to go somewhere else. If you are interested in writing about real things in an academic manner feel free to help by making small changes to articles like correcting spelling errors or reverting vandalism. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Milana Keller AfD[edit]

This article is nominated for deletion: I am curious because she is walking in shows that are the top of her field, so that would seem to me to meet the WP:ENTERTAINER requirement for models. I would love to understand better why it doesn't or if the WP:GNG supersedes it. Thanks! FiddleheadLady (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC) FiddleheadLady (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

FiddleheadLady welcome to Tea House! I didn’t see your arguments in the AfD nomination itself. That would be a more relevant venue than here. It’s the 2nd nomination so it didn’t survive a deletion attempt the first time. See WP:CANVAS as well. You can alert others about a discussion, but only in a neutral way. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Ah sorry, I thought since it was more of a question/curiosity than an argument, that I should post it here instead of the AfD nomination. I can post the question there instead. Thanks! FiddleheadLady (talk) 15:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

muchas dudas y con ganas de aprender[edit]

A quienes se refieren cuando hablan Alos recién llegados? a nosotros los usuarios investigando quizá

lo siento es que busco cosas raras en la internet 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112 (talk) 04:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. This is the English language Wikipedia, where we write and converse in the English language. You may want to try the Spanish Wikipedia. But please do not ask vague philosophical questions. Be concise and specific and direct, with a focus on improving encyclopedias. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


Hello, 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112, and welcome to Wikipedia! While efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome, unfortunately your contributions are not written in an English that is good enough to be useful. You appear to be more familiar with Spanish; did you know there is a Wikipedia in Spanish? You may prefer to contribute there instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! If you need help, please feel free to notify me on my talk page. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


¡Hola 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112, bienvenido a Wikipedia! Si bien todos los esfuerzos para mejorar la Wikipedia son bien recibidos, desdichadamente su nivel de inglés no parece idóneo para hacer contribuciones de utilidad, o las contribuciones no estan escritas en inglés. ¿Sabía que existe una Wikipedia en español? Quizás prefiera contribuir ahí. De cualquiera forma, reciba la más cordial bienvenida a Wikipedia y nuestro agradecimiento por esforzarse. Si necesita ayuda, puede notificármelo en mi página de discusión. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Content Translation[edit]

I was thinking around what I would do, then I found the Content Translation tool. I translated a Spanish article and it is here. What is to be done next?? Any suggestions.. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 04:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. There are a very large number of redlinks in this article, which may lead experienced editors to ask "what the heck is going on here"? Trim them way back. This biography of a living person has only a single reference, whose reliability I cannot fully evaluate because I am not fluent in Spanish. I do, however, know that the expectation is that there will be multiple references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to a person before an article like this can be considered a acceptable. So, trim the redlinks and improve the references. Translations are welcomed but it is your responsibility as a translator to ensure that your translation complies with the same policies and guidelines thst all other articles are expected to comply with. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @Cullen328 for your helping hand. I removed the redlinks. But for the references you may go [2] here and see that the spanish article also has only one reference. Well I know that living biographies cannot have only one reference, but to say the truth, that article has one reference in the spanish wikipedia, so where should I find more references. Please guide me in this prospect. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 05:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Cullen328 I made a request to their Teahouse (see this[3]), seeking help for finding resources. Hope they help. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 05:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, you shouldn't just dump google translations on here. Machine translations are often unreliable and in this case the sentences don't even read correctly. If you don't know the other language to verify the content and make the necessary modifications, you shouldn't do it. —SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Itcouldbepossible. The fact that the es-wiki article is under-referenced is a problem for es-wiki. We too have thousands and thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not be acceptable today; but few people are interested in spending the time to improve or delete them, so they remain. We do not now accept new articles into English Wikipedia unless they meet our current standards, irrespective of whether they are entirely new or a translation. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@ColinFine Thanks, actually I did not know these things, so I started translating the page. So then the article would be a complete waste of work. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 10:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: the thing to do is to look at the original article and its subject, and decide if it looks genuinely notable. If so, hunt out some sources. It's not a waste of work, but you need to make sure that the translation is a genuinely good article, in good writing, with good sources, and not just a google-translate of an article that was probably inadequate in the Spanish WP. Someone wise here advised me that translations don't have to be exact. You can use as much or as little of the other WP article as you want (though of course follow the instructions on translation and credit it!) - so if you can find some sources that back up part of what the Spanish article says, while other bits look wobbly, just translate and use the good stuff. Elemimele (talk) 11:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes – and it is also worth stressing that the tool is called "content translation", so it is intended to help editors get some idea of the content (facts), while the form (vocabulary, phrasing, syntax) needs to be created by the editor without trusting the tool. --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Itcouldbepossible have you gone through the short training tutorial Wikipedia Adventure? It may also help to read Introduction and Your First Article. Your attempt at translating a Spanish article wasn't a waste of time if you learned from it. I've been a Wikipedia editor since 2007 and I'm still learning. That learning is often by trying something that didn't work, and then figuring out what I did wrong, so that I'll do it correctly the next time. Best wishes on your work on Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Karenthewriter Yes @Amkgp left the link to Wikipedia Adventure on my talk page. But I cannot do it?? I don't know what problem, I am encountering. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 03:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Itcouldbepossible I don't know what equipment you're using (computer, electronic tablet, cell phone), but I am using an outdated Mac laptop, and this is how things work for me. A few minutes ago I clicked on the Wikipedia Adventure link. When that link came up, I went to the bottom of the page and clicked on Mission 1. A white box came up, I read what's in the box, then clicked on the blue box titled "Get Equipment for the trip". That brought up another white box. I read that box, and clicked on the new blue box titled "Come with me..."
Since I've already gone through The Wikipedia Adventure I didn't go any further tonight. There will be different projects to try, such as editing and adding citations. I believe when I finished Mission 1 I went back to the beginning page, and then clicked on Mission 2. I read white boxes, and clicked on blue boxes, just as I did for the first mission. Did you click on Mission 1? If so, what happened when you did? Perhaps if you are having some difficulty with the English language you may not be understanding all of the instructions written in the white boxes. You may want to try again on another day, and then be able to go through the different missions. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Karenthewriter Ok thanks for the help. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 04:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add map in a article ?[edit]

Shirsada Hanuman Temple article do not have a map, add a map in it. Newton Euro (talk) 07:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro Welcome to Tea House! A great place to ask would be on WikiProject Map's talk page, available here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Happy editing and navigating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Newton Euro: I've added a pushpin map to the infobox with this edit. If you want something else, you'll need to be more specific. Deor (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How to get Modern Skin back?[edit]

I was editing my Preferences and when clicking Preview to see what the other skins looked like, I didn't realize that it selected the skin I previewed, so when I scrolled down to change other preferences in Appearance, I clicked Save and now Modern isn't on the list of Skins anymore. I've been using this skin since 2010, maybe earlier, and it's the easiest on my eyes. How do I get it back?

Schizowallflower (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC) Schizowallflower (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Schizowallflower Welcome to Tea House! I am not 100% certain but I believe it's the "legacy vector" available here [4]. Otherwise ask at WP:VPT ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:46, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Schizowallflower: I'm afraid you've lost it for good – only four skins are maintained (to make life easier for developers) and Modern has been deprecated. Try out the current skins to see if any of them work well for you, and see the discussion at § 'Modern' not selectable any longer for background. @Shushugah: there are two versions of Vector available – the old ("legacy") one and the current/new one. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 09:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
You are a lifesaver! I went to the Discussion you linked and through a couple tips from other users I was directed to an archived Preferences page that had Modern as a selectable option. Thank you.
Schizowallflower (talk) 09:13, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh, OK, good luck with that! As noted, the skin is no longer supported so it could disappear completely at any time, so don't get too attached. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 09:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing an Article Title[edit]

Title change request

Hi there, currently I am working on the article stub entitled 'Australian Aboriginal Progress Association' and I came across a problem. After doing some research I noticed that the title of the organisation is actually 'Australian Aboriginal Progressive Association', rather than 'progress'. Could you confirm or deny this by any chance? As the sources I have found have led me to believe the title of the article is wrong and I was wondering if changing it is an option. Bwal6418 (talk) 11:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bwal6418. The best place to discuss such a thing is probably going to be a Talk:Australian Aboriginal Progress Association because that's where you're likely to find editors who might be familiar with the subject matter. Basically, if the title is incorrect, then the page can be WP:MOVEd to a new title; however, it's probably a good idea to at least discuss things first on the article talk page before trying to move the page yourself. You're also going to be expected to "prove" the page needs to be moved by providing links to reliable sources supporting the change. If nobody responds to your post on the article's talk page after a few days, try posting a Template:Please see at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia to see if you can find someone there to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi again Bwal6418. It appears that another editor has already moved the article to Australian Aboriginal Progressive Association; so, there's nothing more that needs to be done I guess. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes I talked to another user who has previous edits on the article to confirm the title was incorrect and they fixed it, but thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwal6418 (talkcontribs) 09:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to fix wide infobox?[edit]

Anomalous cancellation in calculus

This box is too wide; any advice on how to fix it? Danstronger (talk) 14:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Danstronger: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you ask at Template talk:Anomalous cancellation in calculus, so the template's creator can be involved in the conversation. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Danstronger The user to involve in that discussion there would be Cmglee. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Danstronger, I've made the div 5em wide which should hopefully fit most browsers – if I make it narrower, there's a high risk that one of the words will overrun the box if a user uses a wide font such as Verdana. @Tigraan: it's not an infobox, but uses the infobox class as that floats things to the right, provides adequate whitespace and reduces font size. I tried to emulate right-aligned image thumbnails. Transcluding rather than substituting it reduces maintenance and keeps all copies in sync when the template changes. Hope that helps, cmɢʟeeτaʟκ 01:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hlw... Im new here..[edit]

 Oriental Goldbulb (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Oriental Goldbulb Welcome to the Teahouse - a place to ask questions and get answers relating to editing Wikipedia. Do you need any assistance with a problem? Nick Moyes (talk) 17:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes tnx,i ve no prblem but i dont knw anything about wikipdia.hw can i edit wikipediia. Plz gimme some advise, Plz help mee.
Oriental Goldbulb, perhaps you'd like to try The Wikipedia Adventure? Wikignome Wintergreentalk 19:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Oriental Goldbulb Rather like driving a car, it's best to set off slowly because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia controlled by quite a lot of 'rules of the road'. Providing you don't simply add "stuff that you happen to know", you might find looking at articles in or around your home town or favourite place might be worthy doing first. You'll get a feeling of how articles have been written, perhaps spotting typos or other small fixes which you can correct. Making sure the written English flows easily and is gramatically correct is almost as important as goof, factual content. You might find certain statement have [citation needed] written after them, which means we need to find a Reliable Source to insert to support that statement. In time, you might feel confident to add one via the 'Cite' button. You could visit Help:Introduction for further guidance, or come back here if you hit problems. Because it's easy to make mistakes, you might feel other road users appear abrupt with you if you do mess up. But rather than bite back, take a moment to work out what you might have done wrong and keep on the correct side of the road to avoid confrontation. We work by collaboration and consensus, so engaging with other editors is quite normal - as is following what other users advise you to do. That way you'll be helping to build the worlds greatest online encyclopaedia. Good luck, and enjoy the ride. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

What does -32 written in red mean in a Users contribution?[edit]

 Mikkyly (talk) 17:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mikkyly: It means that edit removed 32 characters from the page in question. Green numbers mean that many characters were added. --Jayron32 17:28, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Mikkyly: Welcome to the Teahouse! More specifically, it means the edit reduced the page byte size by 32. It's possible, for example, that the editor removed 1,000 characters, added 968 characters, and changed any number of characters. For more information, see Help:Watchlist#How to read a watchlist (or Recent Changes). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


Mya Koby butterson (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2021 (UTC) Mya

Welcome to the teahouse. Do you have any questions? Severestorm28 (talk) 19:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

NEXTMONTH Alternatives[edit]

Hi, I'm currently looking for a template that will give me the next month in numerical form. However, upon finding {{NEXTMONTH}} I see it's been deleted, however the deletion proposal says that there are other templates that replace this. What are those templates? Thanks. -- LemonSlushie 🍋 (talk) (edits) 17:53, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

  • @LemonSlushie: {{NextMonth}} is the template. It has not been deleted, and seems to be working fine. For example, I used it here: January 2022. Is there anything else we can help you with? --Jayron32 18:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
@Jayron32: Sorry, that's not the template im referencing, I'm talking about Template:NEXTMONTH. Secondly, I need only the number, not the year and the name of the month. -- LemonSlushie 🍋 (talk) (edits) 18:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry. My bad. Let me look into it. I'll get back to you. --Jayron32 18:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
The template was nominated for deletion by @Q28:. I would contact that user on their talk page and ask them for clarification. They probably know which template replaced its functionality. --Jayron32 18:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Please use {{#time:n|+1 month}}. --Q28 (talk) 03:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
{{MONTHNUMBER|{{CURRENTMONTH1}}+1}} may do what you want. It currently returns 1. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

review articles[edit]

I made two articles about two series, please review them so that if you confirm, you can direct them to the main space. Both series are being broadcast in Iran, and therefore there is not enough information about it in Google. That's why I made these articles to make the right information available to the public.--Confermation (talk) 18:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You submitted the drafts for review. One has been rejected, the other one is waiting for review. --bonadea contributions talk 18:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

What is your business phone number[edit]

 2600:6C5D:77F:E6FE:399D:56AD:F57E:1A1B (talk) 19:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Whose business phone number? If you wish to contact the Wikimedia Foundation, the organization that hosts Wikipedia, see here. --Jayron32 19:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

edit the 404 not found link.[edit]

hey, Wikipedia team while reading some pages I found many links which do not open or have a 404 not found error so can you give me the authority to edit those links and add value to that links. Hasi j (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

If those are references we need them. Even if the website can't be tracked down in the internet archive, the reference shows that someone did check the source at the time. ϢereSpielChequers 20:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hasi j, you should probably read up on our policies about external links. The ones you have been adding so far are not appropriate. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 20:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
You should also read WP:COI, based on what you've now posted on your user page. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 21:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Please block IP address for vandalizing article Heera Rajagopal[edit]

 TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: This is not the correct place to report a user for vandalizing Wikipedia. The correct place would be WP:AIV. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Warned user. Severestorm28 (talk) 21:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons[edit]

What is the Wikimedia Commons website exactly? Is it the server where all the images on Wikipedia are technically stored? Hgh1985 (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hgh1985: Welcome to the teahouse. Yes, that is right, images are stored in the Wikimedia Commons website. However, you can upload images there, or you can click "Upload File" on the left side (in contributions.) Thenafter, you can be successful or not, depending on the file you upload. Anyway, the Commons website, again, is a place to store files and images. Severestorm28 (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Hgh1985. You can find out more at Wikimedia Commons, but basically it's like a big worldwide photo album where people can upload images that they want to share with others. Not everything is OK to upload to Commons, but generally anything that complies with c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Project scope is OK. Wikimedia Commons is a global project which means the files it hosts can be rather easily used by all Wikimedia Foundation projects (not just English Wikipedia). Such content can also be used outside the various Wikimedia projects as long as the c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia is complied with. For this reason, many of the images and other media files you see used on English Wikipedia are uploaded to Commons, but not all of them. Commons doesn't accept certain kinds of content that English Wikipedia does allow and this content must be uploaded locally to English Wikipedia instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Grounds for creating a new page for a historical figure[edit]

Hi Teahouse gang,

I'd like to create a brand new page for a fairly busy property speculator I've come across from 18th Century Dublin (Tristram Fortick). I have tonnes of documentation to back it up and fill it out, I just wonder what are the grounds for creating a new page. He wasn't famous, but a road in Dublin used to be named after him before it got renamed to something else (Fortick's Lane to Clonliffe Road). I think he was quite important at the time, but nothing has been written about him extensively. I think he would be a great case study for erstwhile property developers in Dublin at that time. I also have a document with his original signature on it and would love to create one of those .svg files from it. Anyone know how to make them?

Regards, Franky Frankysandwich2 (talk) 23:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Frankysandwich2, tonnes of documentation suggests primary sources, which won't be usable. Do you also have kilogrammes of published material? If published material about him doesn't exist, then he sounds like splendid material for a doctoral dissertation. In revised form, this might be taken up by a university press; and the book, its reviews, etc, would eventually be fodder for a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not the place for original research, however painstaking, and about however remarkable a subject. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Frankysandwich2 you will need to have published sources for references, but they are available. (Though I don't know if there's enough to write an entire article.) I copied Tristram Fortick's name, pasted it into Google Books, and got lots of books that have something about him in them. Choose one of the books about Dublin, Parliament, etc., and below the little snippet quote from the book (with the page number) most have a "button" labeled either Read or Preview. Click that "button" to bring up a page to read, and to take notes from. To the right of the Read or Preview "button" is a More Editions "button". Click on that to get the name of the book publisher, and the publication date. To help you cite those references properly you can read Citing sources. I have no idea how to create a .svg file, but I hope I've been able to help you. Best wishes with your project. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Scan a signature as normal. Open in an image editing tool such as IrfanView (which I thoroughly recommend to anyone) and Save As to get the file format you want. Alternatively, search for an online conversion tool. I like Nick Moyes (talk) 03:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Checking to see if an editor has edited a page in its history[edit]

I regularly patrol the "Recent changes" page for vandalism. Sometimes I notice an editor that might not be a vandal all the time, but just from time to time. I'd like to see if there is a way to check for one particular editor's edits on an article. And to see if they have ever edited said article in the articles history, and then parse those edits etc. Is this possible? Thanks!  Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 02:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue Yes, that’s easy to find. At an article’s View History tab, there’s a link at the top of page to “Find Edits by this User”. Simply paste in their username, and you get a result like this. Alternatively, choose to display the last 500 edits and do a text search for their name with Ctrl-F. You’ll see their name highlighted in yellow in the context of surrounding edits, which I find more helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
You get another cookie. Thanks for being so helpful all the time. The encyclopedia is better off thanks to you. Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 03:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I Am logged in for a year[edit]

HeyYearAccount 213234 (talk) 03:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC) I Am Logged in for year YearAccount 213234 (talk) 03:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? If you don't want to be logged in continuously then just log out. Meters (talk) 04:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing mistake[edit]

I tried adding a song that was missing to a discography on this page (, but it seemed to have screwed up the formatting of the boxes. How do I correct this? Also, my sourcing seem to have shown up in the wrong place. Trouserhound (talk) 04:37, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Trouserhound: I reverted the recent IP edits to the Harvey Gold article. You may try again, or post a request on Talk:Harvey Gold to have someone else edit the article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

can't seem to reset my password[edit]

I'm a regular donator to wikimedia, and I'd really like to be logged in so I don't get the reminder banner to donate - I already do each month, but when I try to get a password reset email, I get nothing. I'm pretty sure it's the right email address because I get the thank you email for my donation! I've checked my spam folder, and other locations in my gmail inbox, and I just don't see it anywhere. Hope somebody can help. (talk) 05:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

There have been issues with password reset emails going out, but I should note that the email used to set up a donation and the email associated with your account aren't tracked on the same systems. The password emails issue is a known one. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 05:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello wrld[edit]

Iam new. Spotanus (talk) 05:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Howdy, and welcome to both the Teahouse and Wikipedia as a whole! Let us know if you have any questions, and we'll be happy to help. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27 how can i help wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spotanus (talkcontribs) 06:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spotanus. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Community portal for many recommendations of things that you can do to help. Welcome to Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to submit a copyright and retrieve deleted article[edit]


I contributed an article titled, "ot9 Beno". I am an intern for the artist camp and the manager wants the contribution to match his website. Ceciwrites (talk) 07:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ceciwrites. Comply immediately with the mandatory Paid contribution disclosure or you may well be blocked. Your boss's wish to have a Wikipedia article "match" his website is an arrogant fantasy that will never become true. This is an encyclopedia, not a website mirror. You have two choices: Resign or push back against these unreasonable demands. Good luck. You are in a difficult position. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Ceciwrites, according to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#Additional notes on who must disclose, interns are considered employees for the purpose of this requirement. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ceciwrites: At the moment the article is in your sandbox, User:Ceciwrites/sandbox. As it is now, it is nowhere near being acceptable as a Wikipedia article. You will need to explain to your manager that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, where editors write articles that summarize what the best available independent sources have to say about a subject - not what those subjects want said about them.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: Got it thank you. CECIWRITES 09:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@CECIWRITES: Your sandbox is an exact copy of . I know you said above that your manager asked for the Wikipedia article to "match" the website, but that does not mean that the copyright on the no longer exists. Your previous draft was deleted as a copyright violation, and I'm afraid your sandbox will also have to be deleted. More info on your user talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 09:26, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: I have permission to post it. So that my self and the rest of his fans can know more about him and everyone can add on to his page once its started. I have found the CC license. but not sure about the GNU license. Also is the licensing something they would do? & can I still write this in general? CECIWRITES 10:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Two things: You still haven't complied with the mandatory requirement to disclose your paid status. You need to do that before you make any other edits. Secondly, even if that text is released from copyright it is not appropriate for Wikipedia, so don't waste your time by investigating how the text can be donated. --bonadea contributions talk 09:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
And a third thing, actually – your signature needs to contain a link to your user page and/or talk page. Your all-caps signature points at User:CECIWRITES, which is not a registered user – links to names are case sensitive. --bonadea contributions talk 10:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Ceciwrites: The copyright holder of the website is going to need to be the one to release it under a free license that Wikipedia accepts; however, given that most websites are written in a tone that is too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes, it's highly likely that the content would need to be written for any of it to be considered OK to use on Wikipedia even if it was freely licensed. Generally, Wikipedia editors are expected to summarize in their own words what they read about subjects in reliable sources and then cite those sources in support so that the content can be verified; trying to simply copy-and-paste large blocks of external website content onto any Wikipedia page is almost always not going to be considered OK to do. If you would like to try and create a draft about this person, then you can; you are, however, going to need to demonstrate that they meet Wikipedia:Notability (people) for any draft to have a chance of being accepted as an article. You're also going to need to follow the guidance given in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for reference because it sound like whoever asked you to create this article doesn't really understand how Wikipedia works at all.
Finally, please take a look at Wikipedia:Signature for some information on how to properly "sign" a talk page post. You're signing your posts as [[:User:CECIWRITES|CECIWRITES]], but there is no account registered as User:CECIWRITES. Since you registered for an account as "Ceciwrites" (not "CECIWRITES"), that's the account user name your going to need to use. It might be possible for you customize your signature if you want as explained in here, but your Wikipedia user name is still going to be "Ceciwrites". -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Noted, thank you so much I appreciate your time and knowledge --Ceciwrites talk 10:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Problems when referring to another Wiki page in this format ... when editing[edit]


I have been having problems editing a Wiki page in the normal way [[....]] in source editing so that when clicking the highlighted name (in blue), it will lead to the quoted Wiki page.

The edited term instead appears in red.. indicating the page is not yet created/available. However, when I search the term, the page is already there.

Please assist.

Regards. Volten0001 (talk) 09:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Volten0001, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't told us which article you are trying to link to, but the usual reason for this is that the case of the letters does not match. The case must match exactly, except for the first letter. Also, any accents, punctuation, spaces etc must match. If you still can't see the problem, copy and post the exact string you are putting between the brackets here and we can look. (I put <nowiki> round your example, so that what you typed would appear.)--ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

India article[edit]

I saw articles about USA, England and Australia have sub-section for Education and Sports but this India article doesn't have. I suggest to create seperate sub-sections for this. Images used in that article also looks low quality, outdated and do not represent true India, only showing unhygienic, poor side of India. Newton Euro (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: welcome to the Teahouse. The article India does actually have these sub-sections: India#Education and India#Sports and recreation, both of them sub-sections of India#Culture. In the article about Australia, the sub-section Australia#Education is under Australia#Demographics, while Australia#Sport and recreation can be found under Australia#Culture. USA has the same structure as the article about Australia, with education under demographics, and sports under culture, but England has a different structure again, with education and sports as separate sections that are not under culture, nor under demographics. I don't know why the structure of these articles are different, but the sub-sections are there in each of them.
If you want to suggest different images, Talk:India is the place to do that. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea and Bonadea: I think we have to follow England structure. #Education section of India is not well developed and is very short.Newton Euro (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Newton Euro, it seems that you had already posted your suggestion to Talk:India when you started this message thread. When you post a suggestion on an article's talk page, there's no need to bring up the matter here as well. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Newton Euro keep in mind that there is also an entire article about Education in India. Take care not to "overload" the section with too much detail. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Need help regarding Cyclone Jawad[edit]

Please some admin or senior editors close the AfD at Cyclone Jawad and move Draft:Cyclone Jawad to mainspace as its ready. 2402:3A80:6FD:B303:55D:9023:51BF:FF3E (talk) 10:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Tagged for CSD. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 10:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Long standing citation requests[edit]

While reading Wikipedia articles I often come across long standing citation requests and other template warnings. For example, on the Sheffield Steelers page some of the citation needed requests date back to 2007 and the recentism template was placed there in 2009. The article is being updated but 'warnings' ignored. Surely such longstanding 'requests for action' reflect badly on Wikipedia. I have little interest in the subject matter and so wouldn't want to spend time trying to find sources to validate these passages. The talk page looks moribund so I think things are unlikely to be resolved by commenting and seeking a consensus there. The choice for me is to ignore and move on or delete the 'offending' lines and remove the citation needed warning. What are people's views here? Rupples (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Rupples. You raise a very good point. Per WP:V "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source". If it has been a while and there have been no constructive suggestions on the talk page, I suggest you remove one statement at a time, and see whether other editors swing into action with some references.--Shantavira|feed me 15:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Not enough sources?[edit]

A writer friend of mine recently attempted to start a Wiki article about me. I am a musician and although I am mentioned in other people’s pages, there is no entry for me personally. There are a number of stories and interviews in newspapers about me (both physical and virtual ones), plus of course anything can be verified by checking websites of artists, album liner notes, or seeing me perform with various famous people on YouTube etc etc. Seems to be fairly easily verifiable stuff, yet he got the message that “there were not enough verifiable sources “. He added a few more (does Wiki accept its OWN pages as verifiable sources?) and then got a message that maybe it’s “under review” or something to that effect. So it has been neither accepted nor rejected at this point. Not sure what to do from here. Appreciate anyone that can shed some light on this or suggest what to do now. Just wait? Or have yet another person that knows me write another article? I saw other people being asked what their name is on here so maybe I should put my name. It’s Jay Collins. Thanks.  Jaybird1968 (talk) 15:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jaybird1968, and welcome to the Teahouse. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia (rather than social media, or a business directory) we require that articles be almost entirely based on what has been published in reliable sources unconnected with the subject. This means that in order for an article about you to be possible, several people, wholly unconnected with you and not fed information by or on behalf of you, must have chosen to write at some length about you and been published in places with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control. This means that nothing published by you or your associates, nothing in user-generated sources such as blogs, social media, or wikis (including Wikipedia!) and nothing primarily based on your words - interviews or press releases - can contribute to this. Most artists, even professional ones, do not meet these criteria, and we therefore do not have articles about them, even if they are mentioned in other articles. (I am mentioned in an article, because I once did something remarkable, but not enough has been written about me to ground an article about me). If you or your friend can find sources to establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (essentially what I explained above) then there can be an article about you. Your friend is discouraged from writing it, because of their conflict of interest, and also because writing an article is a very challenging task for a new Wikipedia editor (even if they have experience as a writer) and I always advise spending a few months learning the trade by editing existing articles first. But if you do meet the criteria, then your friend may create a draft - see your first article. If you do not, they will be wasting their time trying. --ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Jay Collins (musician) - this seems to be the relevant draft. Alerting its creator, WoodieAlan, who - based on their user name and contributions - may also have a COI with Alan Paul (author). Wikignome Wintergreentalk 16:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I upload photos without it going to Wikipedia commons[edit]

I want to upload a photo with a Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0) license but in order to upload to Wikipedia it has to go to Wikipedia commons, is there a way for it to not go to Wikipedia Commons? I also have found a source I want to use but I'm not quite sure if it's reliable commons? Maomaoox (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Maomaoox The CC BY-NC licence is not acceptable on Wikipedia, it has to be CC BY-SA. The Sealifebase source looks good, you can also try the IUCN website. A Google Scholar search could also be productive. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Page doesn't exist?[edit]

Hello, about 5 months ago I wrote a Wikipedia article on Joanna Langfield, who is a well known movie critic having been on the radio for nearly 40 years now. She's also my mother. Unfortunately the article still has not been published and am not sure why.

Whenever I click on the link through my account, it says the page does not exist.

I admitted the conflict of interest, I'm obviously doing this for free and made sure everything was linked and uploaded pictures to show that everything that was written is true.

Is there anything more I can do to make sure the page gets published?

Thank you. GregWikiMake (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Joanna Langfield has not yet been submitted for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
GregWikiMake, if you want to submit it, you need to click on the blue button at the bottom of the box above the text of your draft. Deor (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd also recommend doing a quick clean-up to avoid such words as "legendary" (relating to the radio personalities with whom she worked); the new article reviewers tend to be very sensitive about anything that might look promortional. Thank you for declaring your CoI properly. Elemimele (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both! Now is there a way I can get it reviewed quicker? : ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GregWikiMake (talkcontribs) 18:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@GregWikiMake I was about to mention "Improving your odds of a speedy review" but it seems you saw that already. Making sure your article follows WP:BLP (if you can't ref it, don't add it) and meets the demands at WP:BASIC will help. Also, in a WP-article, call her "Langdon" in the running text, not "Joanna". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Ranveer Singh - Indian[edit]

Ranveer Singh did dubbing for Deadpool 2 but their is no mention about it on this article. I think a seperate sub-sections have to be made for his dubbing work or add it in filmography by making a table. [1] Newton Euro (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The place to discuss improvements to an article is at the article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Ranveer Singh. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 18:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Not able to create table[edit]

In Ashok Saraf, I tried to add a wikitable in visual editing mode but I'm not able to that, whenever I tried to click on a cell in a row it is just blinking one time but cursor not appearing in cell. I am using android for editing. Newton Euro (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

De-orphaning a Wikipedia page by linking to another page[edit]

I am trying to de-orphan Wikipedia page Walter Boardman Kerr by linking it to another Wikipedia page, Philips Academy, where WBK is listed by name on a list of notable alumni. I clicked on the link button in my sandbox thinking that would do it, filled out the info on the form, then submitted, but apparently I need to do something else. Can you assist me? Thanks. Trail972 (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC) Trail972 (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Phillips Academy
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Walter Boardman Kerr
Welcome to the Teahouse Trail972! Kerr's name already appears to be linked on the Academy page, but no one has removed the orphan template from his own article. As for how it's done, you would edit the source of the page in question and add two square brackets on either side of the name (in source editing mode; Visual Editor is likely different). Wikignome Wintergreentalk 18:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
The orphan template has now been removed by User:Theroadislong. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 18:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding. How do I remove the orphan template from the Kerr article? Also, I have a Library of Congress photo of Kerr to insert on his page. When I click on the images button in sandbox, it asks me to give a Filename. Would that be the Library of Congress Digital Id or Control Number? Not sure what dialog box is asking for. Trail972 (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

See above, Trail972 - the template has already been removed by someone who read your post here. If you have a photo for the page that is appropriately licensed, it will need to be uploaded either to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons. It will then be assigned a filename, etc. Commons is the preferred place for a number of reasons, but they can't host non-free files. What is the copyright status of the image you want to use? Wikignome Wintergreentalk 18:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
If it's this one, I don't think we can use it, but I'm not well-versed in the labyrinth of copyright law. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 19:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's that one. Library of Congress doesn't think Acme Photo registered a copyright on it, but it would take some research to find out for sure. Part of New York World photograph collection given to the LOC.Trail972 (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Help with my page on the butterfly animal[edit]

Hello can anyone help me with my page on the butterfly animal. It’s an extinct arthropod from Silurian Waukesha. However there are no scientific studies done on it, and I don’t know the order or family it belongs to, so trying to create a taxonomic box is a pain in the butt. Again please help if anyone can.Fossiladder13 (talk) 18:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Fossladder13, and welcome to the teahouse. I'd recommend checking out WikiProject Arthropods, who would be able to help with this better. Do you know the scientific name of the species/genus you're describing? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
No I don’t, the animal has not had a scientific description done on it yet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fossiladder13 (talkcontribs)
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Butterfly Animal (Fossil) I added a courtesy link so people know what you're talking about. Looks like someone added a template now. Happy editing and please remember to sign all of your posts! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Improving Page / Vestwell[edit]

Hello - looking for suggestions on how to improve this page. All sources are external from the brand at the moment, do I need more? Epcomms (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Epcomms welcome to Tea House! The current links are not very high quality nor independent of the source, for example MadeInNYC is explicitly a promotional link. Please carefully read through WP:RS and WP:NORG. Fewer, but much much higher quality links would help this article. I do not wish to be contacted for follow up questions about this specific article though. ~ 🦝 Shushugah��(he/him • talk) 19:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I just wanted to say thank you for the invitation! This will be very helpful. Mkwal914 (talk) 19:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mkwal914: Welcome to the teahouse, a place to ask questions. We are thankful you're here, any further questions? Severestorm28 (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Are podcasts acceptable as a source?[edit]

Can we use podcasts as a citation/source? Prodjex (talk) 19:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prodjex welcome to Tea House and thank you for your question! In short, yes under very narrow circumstances. Either because the podcast is scholarly in itself, for example in a neutral, scholarly tone or because the individuals speaking on it are subject experts themselves, per WP:SELFPUBLISH. Happy editing and 'casting! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Any way to enable navigation popups across wikis?[edit]

Hi all, does anyone know if it's possible to enable navigation popups across wikis, without having to go into the preferences? I often go to other projects chasing LTA socks, and it's quite a pain that I have to enable popups on all those wikis. I once tried adding the following to m:Special:MyPage/global.js but it didn't work.

// Navigation popups on all wikis (?)

I would appreciate any help. Dragoniez (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dragoniez Tea House is for newer editors, I think WP:Village Pump (Technical) would be a better place to ask! Am curious what the answer is tho, happy navigating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Shushugah Oh right, thanks Shushugah, will post on VPT. --Dragoniez (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I am writing my first submission[edit]

...and have had my article reviewed by Ivork. I would like to know how to cite sources. Much of the information contained in the submission is verifiable and can be attributed to newspaper articles of press releases. Essentially what characters inline relate to sources for specific content? I am continuing to read best practices and help pages too. Best, Rush Owen  Rush Owen (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Rush Owen. The editing tool you use has a big Cite button which you use to bring up a template to enter your citation details. Full details can be found at WP:REFBEGIN. Pop back if you need further help. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Your sandbox draft gives me the feeling you’ve written it as an autobiography, or that you personally know this individual. If that’s the case, please read WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


Why does Wikipedia keep asking me for money when I am definitely not donating as long as MF DOOM keeps being reverted back to “Mf Doom” on his page? 2600:8801:1B84:AE00:D0EF:76C6:2CBE:7308 (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation makes an annual appeal atound this time to help meet its global running costs. If you create a free account, you will avoid seeing these uappeals. Regarding article name changes, thats an issue that should be held on the article talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
It has been discussed several times and is in the "Frequently asked questions" box at top of Talk:MF Doom. The consensus to follow most reliable sources and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters is unlikely to change. Donors have no influence on our content. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)